For arguments sake let’s say Zoro does Conquerors Haki. Read Zoro x Luffy | Shy from the story O N E P I E C E | Luffy by revsab (lu) with 3,645 reads. But like i said ashura so far is nowhere to be seen and we will have to draw a conclusion without it. Zoro's Oni Giri did comparable to damage to G4 Kong Gun Ryuo. "I did!!!" Oh just quickly cause people love to meme this. I'd go as far as to say for the brief period that Sanji had used the Raid Suit before Zoro got Enma, Sanji was decisively the 2nd strongest in the crew, and now Zoro is slightly stronger again, per usual. Bounty Collected Here we see zoro ,sanji (in namis body) and brook all knocked out seemingly defeated but things are much different in context. At the same time, the blade forced hardening on his whole arm and emaciated it. So how exactly can Zoro remain equals with luffy when gear 4 exists. He could not. [OP QUIZ] How well do you know Whitebeard Pirates? He won all his fights without getting serious or injury. Have fun discussing. 10 months ago silentNightz Even in their delusion. Prem is right this is a stupid theory, his evidence used for Zoro’s reason to leaving the Straw Hat crew is not Zoro’s character. Starting here and i have to disagree while its true they ate shown have a rivalry they are definitely not shown to be equals. Theory spoiler. The first mate of Mugiwara no Luffy is a person who at first didn’t even want to join the crew. However, since we're not supposed to know that, Luffy's dialogue and actions, like him calling Hyouzou strong, lean into the idea of us not knowing Gear 4 even exists yet. “Lu-ahhh-ffy how did you~ohhhh learn all this?” he was trembling. So we get situations where people debate who had the stronger opponent Pica and vergo, Absalom and Ryuma when there's no concrete evidence saying Zoro would have an easier or harder time with any of Sanji's opponents. Now as for Gear 4. Moreover, he says that in the future they can’t trust a guy who leaves the crew on a whim, such as Usopp. I would actually say zoro is stronger. Hell even recently we see them coming together to save O-Toko. There are many factors as to why Rayliegh didn't. pirate king or WSS. But there is someone who Zoro often interacts with their opponent, that is Luffy. One of them mutters something about Zoro being the cause of this, which enrages Luffy. → Zoro then gets lost. The most recent point of comparision are Vergo and Pica, where an injured Sanji fought on par with Vergo and Zoro got stalemated hard by Pica until he got distracted and Zoro was able to take advantage of that thanks to Orlumbrus (and I know you said that we can't directly compare them, but Vergo being Doffy's most trusted subordinate he should be at least at the same level as Pica). Messages: 1,351 Likes Received: 3,451 Trophy Points: 13,260 Bounty Points: 250 . Secondly a rivalry can exist without both being similar in power a very good example is Kuina and Zoro despite a shared goal passion and 2000 duels Kuina was always superior. I should be adressing all of this in a later post. In Whole Cake Island, Zoro wasn’t there and Luffy beat Cracker and Katakuri. After Luffy is already passed out the entire crew is put down by Kuma. There's definitely a lot more like Luffy and Zoro's side by side protrayal vs other supernovas in Wano not to mention the notable absence of bandanna Zoro recently ( tho trust me I get that its not a powerup). There's a lot of other things I want to address like Pica and Vergo but I will get to them another time. Our website uses cookies to improve your experience. The problem with Monet is we all know she wasnt even the strongest antagonist there that honor goes to Vergo unfortunately Monet falls victim to Zoro being too strong. Luffy does not grow in strength till the Katakuri fight, and since he actively didn't use Gear 4, he was definitely holding back what has proven to be most of his power. In both cases they overcame armaments and observation haki respectively. Suddenly, claws scratched the ground, heading straight towards the two twins. Often when power scaling discussions come up surrounding Zoro its often Zoro vs Sanji. For all intents and purposes, it has been how Zoro's gotten stronger, the same way the Raid Suit has been Sanji's reluctant avenue to more power. 2." [OP QUIZ] Which One Piece character he is? At no point in the entire series are zoro and sanji portrayed as equals, they are portrayed as zoro being significantly stronger. White Hair Hody White Hair Hyouzou. On the other hand Zoro has not once shown Ashura. Moreover, he says that in the future they can’t trust a guy who leaves the crew on a whim, such as Usopp. This deep cut will cause the scars in the shape of a cross that Luffy wears on his stomach. But imagine if they switched opponents. If you want discussion, please sort the subreddit by New. Luffy attacks Hyouzou We even cut back to him showing that not only did he withstand luffy he had retaliated in that same moment luffy calls Hyouzou strong. second of all when the bear guy transfer all of the passed out luffy's pain and tireness to zoro, zoro is still standing, even WITH all the damage zoro received before, meaning zoro is much more durable than luffy Fuji Again 2nd clash However this time it is interrupted by picas enormous attack. According to the One Piece site “the hand of Pica was the size of city in Dressrosa » so Golem Pica’s was the size of many cities. imo, pirate king obviously. 7 HATED: Didn't Cut Tashigi Whether it's direct or not (which it isn't, you're right there) doesn't matter. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. Luffy right now is definitely stronger than Zoro... but its not because of gear 4th. So at this point Zoro is playing catchup but there's still hope. → Zoro then gets lost. A man way weaker than his captain can really face someone who one shotted the latter? Zoro‘s speech is brought to a climax when he tells Luffy that if he goes on to humiliate himself and still pretend to be his leader, then Zoro will be the one to leave the crew. Zoro had just walked past Kuro before stopping. The strawhats vs the priests. It would appear that Zoro has trained his FAH during the time-skip, to … Also important to remember is, once we come out of the timeskip, Luffy was always that strong. Luffy announced Zoro's position with absolute pride, "First-mate Zoro!" The way Zoro defeated Monet is one of my favorite victories in One Piece. But I am here to put an end to it. It is only after Zoro realises he cannot win that he offers his life to Kuma and its only then that Sanji steps in and even then 1 blow from zoro takes him out of the rest of the events. But I hope I at least got my point across. But yea, i'd say there was always a pretty healthy gap. Luffy's always been above his crew and that's a fact. Zoro‘s speech is brought to a climax when he tells Luffy that if he goes on to humiliate himself and still pretend to be his leader, then Zoro will be the one to leave the crew. When Zoro attacks luffy he leaves a scar and it looks alot like his X scar Cracker with his DF Bisu Bisu no Mi and Katakuri with his DF Mochi Mochi no Mi and especially his Future Sight. Both of these guys were of course no match for Luffy and Zoro but the parallels are obvious why would Oda go through the trouble of having these characters interact with both our main boys if not to show that despite 2 years the dynamic hasn't changed Luffy and Zoro are equals. But that was pre timeskip. 3. Removing always Zoro when Straw Hat Pirates face someone strong because he has the potential to beat them or at least not being a pushover because it’s not possible with him. This lead to a battle of attrition where eventually Mr1 began to take over fight thanks to Zoros lack of ability to harm him. Next Zoro defeats Hody the big villain of the arc and even defeats him at a disadvantage. 1 Short Summary 2 Long Summary 3 Characters in Order of Appearance 4 Anime Notes 5 Site Navigation Zoro tries to fight for Luffy since he lies helplessly on the ground. Although Zoro and Sanji are portrayed as "equals". But that couldnt be further from the truth. Zoro and Sanji ARE portrayed as equals. I said Zoro using swords and luffy not will be a major problem for luffy cause the wounds he will get will be even worse with the fights and he will lose more blood than zoro (litteraly why using a sword is an advantage in this fight) and you answer me "bUt crOCODIL >> MR.1 ". G4 also heavily buffs his speed and durability as well, meanwhile Zoro gets stuck with just another attack like every other, but stronger. He didn’t beat Yonko Commanders but he faced 3 Supernovas, an Admiral and Oda gave him a special treatment such as beating the strongest swordsfishman, cutting a mountain size golem and defeating a logia without even touching her.We can clearly understand that Oda didn’t make any mistake until now with Zoro’s strenght. Another proof that Zorro couldn't use Haki at that time is that he was able to cut through Daz Bone's metal (which is actually possible with enough skill), but he couldn't cut through Enel's lighting (impossible without using Busoshoku Haki). That was an amazing feat because only few people are capable to do that only with their raw strenght. 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